Sunflowers

definitely black eyed susan

You´re right. both look quite the same for there are ones with black middle also at the echinacea. Both are from the same family, too.

I believe they are closely related species Hans!

ok, that´sthe better one. Thanks, Karen.

I think, it´s echinacea, for sunflowers look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower